Are you afraid of the current US political climate as a Pagan?

With the recent emergence of evangelical christianity in the United States, the rise in fascism and hate groups across the US and Europe, especially within Pagan circles, the increased use of concentration camps of migrants and family separation policies, and the legal limitations on women's bodies and choices, are we, as a non-christian community and vulnerable demographic, afraid that evangelicals and lawmakers will turn on Wiccans and Pagans in a manner that will mimic the Burning Times, World War II, or worse?

I've studied as an anthropologist. I'm not doing this for work, class, publishing, or fame. I'm curious about the current attitudes in our neck of the woods. I'm curious if anyone else is as afraid as I am.

Thanks in advance,


UPDATE: I'd like to thank all of the participants in this thread who contributed to the discussion. Your responses here have been fascinating, to say the least, to read and ponder and to provide a somewhat decent perspective of current attitudes within this particular group of Pagans. I appreciate your ability to stay on topic, mostly, and to be kind, caring, and respectful to fellow Pagans. Thank you.

To those who were not the aforementioned adjectives, please know and understand that we are all Pagan here and that regardless of political or religious beliefs/paths, or ability to troll, we must stand strong to protect each other. Otherwise, we're no different from those warring christian tribes who do, in fact, hate us. Thanks again to everybody who participated.


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Hi Marabellium. Although I am in the UK I am aware of evangelical and other groups present in the states, What were talking about on US and Europe are groups large and small who refuse to tolerate other peoples birth right to choose what we believe, I have experienced prejudice and abuse for being pagan from Eastern European orthodox Christians who as it turns out, obviously not all of them but definitely fringe groups who pour hate on anything that's not in line with what they believe,  there was a story a few weeks ago orthodox Christians in Poland were burning Harry potter books, so yes I agree we do have a problem with these groups religious or otherwise who think they have a God given right to a life on this planet and everyone else should do what they say, essentially dictatorship mentality.

I don't think there will ever be another WW11 or Witch burnings again,  Mainly I don't think religions have the same power and influence they had back then, and people now days with internet etc. are far better informed than back in those days, Unfortunately when anything becomes extreme like religious or political groups you are probably not going to change their mind and it would probably be a waste of time trying, in general your not going to make people believe something they don't believe.

I generally think that these religious groups will or the more extreme religious view will over time will decline.

the only thing we can doo really is get on with our own lives and not allow others to stop us being ourselves.

I think the subject you studied Anthropology, I studied NLP Hypnosis and that which you would call esoteric science which is basically science that includes the existence of spirit/consciousness, it doesn't separate spirit consciousness  from science which most mainstream science is built around, so similar to you, I have in interest in peoples behaviour and different cultures interest me, especially indigenous culture which Anthropology have looked at, indigenous Shamanism etc. Have you hear of Professor Alberto Villoldo, he has done a huge amount of work with indigenous people in Peru and Brazil, the information he's been passing on from the Shamans there is that humanity in the west is in crisis, and the western world has to reconnect to spirit, they also stated that a lot of illness in the west is including Cancer and Dementure(memory loss)   are cause by excessive sugar intake, The other thing I learned from him is an Intervention I use in NLP called timeline, the identical process has been used for healing by Shamans for well, how ever far back Shamanism originates from.

Sorry if I drifted of topic but I also find Anthropology very interesting

This is what I'm scared of


Democrat Party Still Racist After All These Years
Added by Ben Gaul on January 28, 2014.
Saved under Ben Gaul, Democrats, History, Political Right, Politics
Tags: democrat party, Racism
The Democrat party has subtly changed the wording, but after all these years it is still crooning the same old racist tunes; updated and syncopated for 2014, of course. The Democrat party “plantation” is the dependence class, with the new harvest being minority voter turnout. The Democrat party can reliably count on minority votes, because they have been telling minorities for the past 45 years that only Democrats “truly care.”
In light of data available through the Census Bureau, the Democrat party’s insistence that they care is shown to be a hollow statement. African-American adults living at or below the poverty level grew from 19.8 percent back in 2007, to 23 percent by the end of 2010. It is even worse for African-American children; their numbers in poverty rose from 34.5 in 2007, to a dismal and disappointing 39.1 percent by 2010.
The median income of African-American households under President Bush – while Bush enjoyed Republican majorities in the House and Senate – during 2005, was $12,124. Sadly, by 2009 – after only three years of Democrat party majorities in both houses and Obama’s first year in office – that number plummeted 53 percent to $5,677 according to the Pew Research Center. One might be forced to wonder what, exactly, the Democrat party truly cares for.
Furthermore, a look at jobs data shows that the plight of American minorities under the gentle guidance Democrat party, becomes even worse: Total numbers of employment aged African-Americans in the workforce, slid from 58.6 percent in June 2007, to 52.8 percent by August 2012. Fewer than 50 percent of young African-American males have full-time employment, today.
However, even in the face of all those irrefutable facts, 90 percent of African-Americans who did vote, gave their votes to the architects of their economic demise. Under the guise of Progressivism and misguided Liberalism, the Democrat party has been leading minorities – and everyone else – down the gilded path to an economic and social dystopia.
Back in 2010, the DNC website read “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws.” [Emphasis added.] Those words have since been removed from the site. Did the Democrat party change it when too many people realized that they are still, even after all these years, as racist as they have ever been?
Perhaps it was supposed to read “back before supposedly liberal Republicans magically became Democrats” they were passing those laws. Because that seems to be the argument, of late. Somehow, the deeply reviled, obviously evil Nixon was conniving enough to make every Senator and Congressman serving, to spontaneously switch parties.
All but the redoubtable Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, the Southern Democrat who managed to stay Democrat for well over 40 years; despite all the mythical ship-jumping which is supposed to have occurred. All of the modern liberal Democrats who adored him, like Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama and Al Gore, must not have been told Byrd was a Grand Klegal in the KKK before he ran for the Senate as a Democrat. Byrd was a celebrated member of the Democrat party up til his death, in 2010. So it is not as if the discussion of his affiliations is somehow ancient history.
The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had no illusions as to of which party and political ideology he was marching against, and he voted Republican. In honor of Reverend King’s legacy, perhaps it is best to judge the Democrat party on the content of its character.
What follows is merely a limited recitation of Democrat party offenses against civil rights, with a few corresponding Republican accomplishments which were gained in spite of tremendous resistance. This list will trace the two party’s actions back just for the past 100 years or so.
May 23, 2003, Republican Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) introduced a bill establishing the National Museum of African American History & Culture.
August 20, 1996, in the “Republican Contract With America” election platform – thoroughly denounced by the Democrat party – Representative Susan Molinari (R-NY) wrote and sponsored legislation which prohibited discrimination by race of adoptive parents.
November 21, 1991, the Civil Rights Act of 1991 is signed into law by President George H. W. Bush, which further strengthened civil rights laws passed by Republicans overwhelmingly in 1965.
August 10, 1988, the Civil Liberties Act of 1988 is signed into law by President Ronald Reagan, which compensated Japanese-Americans who had been deprived of property and liberty when Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt drafted Executive Order 9066. That order forced Japanese-Americans into internment camps during WWII.
February 19, 1976, Democrat President Franklin Roosevelt’s Executive Order 9066 is formally rescinded by Republican President Gerald Ford.
August 6, 1965, the Republican Voting Rights Act becomes signed into law. The Act served to abolish the unscrupulous “literacy tests” and other impediments devised by the Democrat party, to inhibit African-American votes.
August 4, 1965, in the face of several Democrat party impediments imposed on the Voting Rights Act, Republicans vote 94 percent For, while Democrats vote 27 percent Apposed.
June 20, 1964, the black owned newspaper Chicago Defender, heaps praise on Senate Republican Everett Dirksen (R-IL) for championing the Civil Rights Act.
June 9, 1964, the Republicans officially protest the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act by Democrat Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) which lasted 14 hours. The Act was crafted and supported by a vast number of Republicans in the Senate, while being strictly opposed by southern Democrat Senators. Many of those Senators called themselves “proud segregationists,” most notably Al Gore Sr.

May 2, 1963, the sheriff of Birmingham, AL. a Democrat party member, orders the arrest of over 2,000 black children who were only guilty of the crime of marching for civil rights.

May 6, 1960, the Civil Rights Act of 1960 is signed into law by President Dwight Eisenhower. Thereby ending a 125-hour filibuster engaged in by 18 Democrat party Senators.

September 24, 1957, President Eisenhower defies demands and derision from Senior Democrat party Senators like Lyndon Johnson and John Kennedy, and sends the 82nd Airborne to Little Rock, AR. The troops were necessary, as a means of forcing Governor Orval Faubus, a Democrat, to integrate Arkansas’ public schools.

November 6, 1956, celebrated civil rights leaders MLK Jr. and his long-time friend Ralph Abernathy, publicly announce they both voted for Republican President Dwight Eisenhower.

March 12, 1956, Brown vs. Board of Education is condemned by 97 Democrats in Congress, who vow to enforce segregation.

September 30, 1953, California’s three-term Republican Governor, Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren, writes the landmark decision Brown v. Board of Education.

August 17, 1937, former Klansman Democrat Senator Hugo Black is appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court by FDR. Republicans protest in stark opposition, because Black’s Klan membership had been lied about until well after his confirmation.

October 3, 1924, three-time Democrat party presidential nominee William Jennings Bryan is formally denounced by Republicans, because of his defense of the Ku Klux Klan during the 1924 Democrat National Convention.

January 26, 1922, a bill written by U.S. Representative Leonidas Dyer (R-MO) is passed in Congress, making lynching a federal crime. The Democrat party Senators had filibustered in order to block it.

February 12, 1909, black Republican “Suffragettes” Ida Wells and Mary Terrell, on the 100 year anniversary of Abraham Lincoln’s birthday, co-found the NAACP.

In light of just this past century of overt racism, covert racism and political posturing, how is it possible for the Democrat party to claim they are not still possessed of a racist mentality, after all these years? When confronted with this rather abbreviated list of historical sins, most Democrats will parrot back the three words believed to have changed reality: “Nixon’s Southern Strategy.” Few Democrats can expound further on that theory than knowing the name, and those who do know a little more seem to be in possession of a rather inventive set of “facts.”

The Democrat party narrative goes something like this: By 1965, Nixon and a few close advisers had decided they needed the South to vote Republican, if they were expected to win National elections. To that extent, the narrative is probably true. However, in the Democrat version, Nixon is an evil racist who wants the cause of racism to flourish, so he makes a pact with all of the obviously white supremacist southerners to join the Republican party. Which Democrats will swear happened, despite no evidence to back that claim up. There are no massive party affiliation shifts during the late 60s or early 70s. There are occasional single fence jumpers, but that is hardly unique to the era.

The idea that conservatives populate the racist end of the political spectrum can only be held to today, if it can somehow be shown to hold true in the past. Therefore, racist KKK Democrats at every level of the party are now called “conservatives,” so that the Republicans of the past almost two centuries can be adopted as the “true” ancestors of the modern liberal Democrat party. Interestingly enough, there is a simple litmus test for that theory, which few Democrats are willing to subject themselves to:

Margaret Sanger is still a celebrated hero of the Democrat party, despite her well documented racist views.

In that virtually all Democrat party leaders – even through the 1960s and 1970s – can be demonstrated to be as racist a bunch as ever took a fire-hose to innocent Americans, which Republican President or significant party leader of the past century does any Democrat hold in singularly high regard? In truth, Democrats only honor their own historical figures, even when they are forced to completely gloss over those old racist bigot’s opinions.

Today, Democrat party racism is a far more subtle, nuanced thing; minorities are held down by the insidious racism of diminished expectations. Dependence and “victim status” are the only aspirations being tolerated by Democrat party leaders, these days.

It is worth mentioning that slavery is best defined as “induced dependence.” Slaves are kept in a constant state of dependence upon their masters for food, shelter, healthcare and all their other material needs. In return for which, the slave must obey and behave, lest those meager comforts be reduced or removed. Deplorable behavior and treatment by the master must never be questioned and always be tolerated.

Over the past 5000 years or more, mankind has domesticated thousands of wild animal species by inducing exactly that level of dependence. The practice has been thoroughly vetted; proven to be 99.99 percent effective, every time it is applied. Which is why tourists at many state parks are admonished to not allow the wild animals to become dependent on free food, given to them by humans. To survive, thrive and succeed, independent living creatures must have the knowledge and the will to provide for themselves.

The Democrat party wants to create and maintain that level of dependence in their fellow American citizens, so they can enjoy societal and economic mastery over them. They claim they are “helping” minorities, when all they are actually doing is making them more and more dependent. After all of these “progressive” years, the Democrat party is still just as racist as it has ever been, it has simply become more sophisticated in how it exercises that racism.

Editorial By Ben Gaul
Western Center for Journalism Free Republic

Matthew Guess May 25, 2014 at 2:20 am

Also, I believe slaves only ate if and when their masters fed them. I would think that would make them DEPENDENT on their masters, You Morons! You’re racists and you don’t even know it. It’s ingrained in your Democratic DNA. Divide and Conquer. Keeping people in their places. The poor black folks aren’t smart enough to take care of themselves. The very racist, and progressive hero Woodrow Wilson thought this way. He was from the south and he was a progressive, which means liberal today. Unfortunately, for you poor fools, you think your helping but you’re hurting. I’m not saying you Libs are consciously racist like Wilson, but you still are preaching his White supremacist based policies of keeping minorities in place and here’s that word again, dependent .
Your Thoughts?


If someone has to go back to the early 20th century to get examples try to make their point, they're really reaching.

ANYone in existence will try to make their life earlier.  Look at Trump, he pays NO taxes to make his life easier yet depends on others to pay them so he can continue to enjoy our infrastructure all the while mocking those who do pay taxes.

Based on this guy's way of thinking, Trump and the other rich who don't pay taxes should be tossed into the streets to make it on their own and to stop relying on others to help pay their way because they're basically welfare cases.


Aurelia, if Martin Luther King voted Republican, that's all you need to know. Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's ass how you vote, or what you support.
The reason you don't know is because you don't want to know the facts. I have more data to channel you, and the guy who posted this bullshit schism, whenever you all are ready to recieve.
So emotionally charged dogma and blatant racism is a reasonable substitute for the forlorn.

Troll much?

Is there something about facts that scares you

Facts? No. Made up drivel spouted by someone as obviously hateful and prejudiced as you? F*ck yes. 

And the LAUGHABLE, long, ranty comments/replies along with the irrelevant memes---textbook troll behavior. 

If you want people to take you seriously, knock it off and act sane and rational. 

I don't care who MLK, Jr. voted for.

Sorry Pellani, your post sounds very emotional and dogmatic.

Fact.  Trump doesn't pay taxes.  You want to argue with that fact?

Fact.  Taxes pay for our infrastructure.  You want to argue with that fact?

Factual conclusion, Trump and his ilk don't support our infrastructure, yet continue to use it. 

You want to argue with that fact?

Thank you for posting this. These facts need to be brought out. Too many people are brainwashed by the globalist controlled mainstream media, after being fed half truths and propaganda by our public school systems. I don't know how many others have thoroughly read your post, but it is very well worth the time, and again, I thank you for posting it.

As I ponder this discussion subject a little more, I think I identified the main conflict area that may arise between Pagans and other beliefs, is that religion in general as far as I know it, and I not particularly religious even as a pagan, is that religion pertains to an external Gods will, where as myself and many other pagans I know pertain to an innate free will, the way I perceive it is that there is an infinite spirit or consciousness that exists in everything physical and non physical.

infinite spirit does not have characteristics assigned to it Like a God, it's only bias is toward pro-creation, but if a man harms another, infinite spirit although reluctantly has to be involved in the harm being caused because it exists I everything and give us free will, I would say however if people are continually making the infinite spirit do things it's reluctant to do because it works against pro- creation, then those people will face a Karma which will in effect harm the harmer, I think this could possibly be how the 8 words of the rede may have come about, to say we have free will to do as we will, but you better watch out if all your desires and intentions involve harm.


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