Who here tags places and property or knows someone who does? What is the overall message behind the tags that you know about? Is it a good counter-cultural measure. Should we incarcerate people who create the art of graffiti?

http://www.cleveland.com/westlake/index.ssf/2015/09/westlake_vandal...

Please post your pics.

Where I live, I see trains with graffiti and have taken photos of them. We have a public art group that started out as graffiti artists. Then there are tags by known gangs.

We have the occasional sigils.  I will go on a walk about and see what I can find in the way of tags and sigils.

First pic shows a community hotline to clean up graffiti.

Second pic shows typical tag markings on trains

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On my first walkabout, I found a lot more than I had anticipated. Found About two dozen. I will post three at a time.

First one looks like an initial, or sigil with a square and a W sign:

Second One: is a rock painting - doesn't really count does it? lol

Third One has a couple of ghosts in it:

There is a cult I "belong" to called the DKMU which tags different sigils, the most common one being the Linking Sigil of Ellis.

Where I live, they're mostly gang symbols or egotistical wannabes.  No sign of any magic symbols.  Since art is so subjective, I suggest graffiti artists spend money on their own canvases and leave them lying around if they want the public to see them, instead of defacing public and private property.

Aurelia, for sure societies use all kinds of signs from logos to signs and branding - this is mostly corporate driven and definitely ego driven.

         What is the distinction between art that has corporatist stamping of their visuals all over the          territory they dominate and graffiti - which simply is a free-form low cost tagging technique?

Man's first art were cave drawings. Today there is an over abundance of visual pollution as in huge billboards. A book titled Malfesance - Appropriation Through Pollution by Michel Serres discusses this. There is a group called Ad Busters who practice "culture jamming" which is a tactic used by many anti-consumerist social movements to disrupt or subvert media culture and its mainstream cultural institutions, including (but not limited to) corporate advertising. It attempts to "expose the methods of domination" of a mass society by fostering progressive change. Ad Busters is "a global network of artists, activists, writers, pranksters, students, educators and entrepreneurs who want to advance the new social activist movement of the information age."

What they have gotten the most attention for is their "Buy Nothing Day," and 'Occupy Wall Street.'

Their technique involves spoofing or parodying  corporate and political advertisements.

Here are examples of two well known types.

Also our local graffiti artists elevated their status by getting special places to 'place' their work, as shown below. Graffiti is a low cost symbol of defiance that marks their place and moment in time and gives them both space and voice. Smart businesses give free wall space to graffiti artists.

Any time we create an original art form whether simplistic, con-formalist or whatever is deemed acceptable by society it is all good when it fits with its environment and is not mass produced. - the more a visual item has poesis in it - the first of its kind the more potential it has. Everything has magic potential in it - it is dependent on subjective interpretation. That's my take on it.

When something is stamped and ad nauseum repeated over and over it becomes a tool of manipulation/propaganda. I admire graffiti artists and others who work in wilding ways to restore balance to our over corporatised world view, we need to at least see the voices of those who are oppressed even if their voices are increasingly silenced

This what I really do not like:

The difference being that advertisements are authorized, they're in specifically designed places and the cities benefit from the money made from the companies wanting to advertise.

Not so for graffiti artists who deface public and private areas, without permission and end up costing the taxpayers money to clean up.

Aurelia, In all honesty from what I have gathered from the postings I have read that are written by you, it seems like you may be deliberately trying to inflame topics - maybe playing devil's advocate to stir the pot more, which is all good news to me. However, I feel stifled by your lack of transparency. I have sent you a friend request and you have not responded.

If you want to remain cloaked that of course is your prerogative. Yet, I do not like having totally anonymous people playing/enacting the devil's advocate position and then partaking in discussions while remaining an total unknown wildcard, to me that is like a double or multicloak and it is also like using cheats while gaming (to put it in simple terms or more advanced it is like being given the 'key phrases' to insert in one's resume so that it does not fly by the 30 second human scan and even shorter software scan).

It is hard for me fathom that you are in reality such a 'law-abiding' citizen and ALSO a member here on a pagan site who would invoke CANON LAW against graffiti artists for f' sake ! - this does not compute for me sorry :(

If you were more upfront with your profile and not keep it set to private and would more readily accept friend requests, I can of course see us having further talks -

                                                        if not

                                                         then

                                                       ce la vie. 

However, I feel stifled by your lack of transparency. I have sent you a friend request and you have not responded.

Yet, I do not like having totally anonymous people playing/enacting the devil's advocate position and then partaking in discussions while remaining an total unknown wildcard, to me that is like a double or multicloak and it is also like using cheats while gaming (to put it in simple terms or more advanced it is like being given the 'key phrases' to insert in one's resume so that it does not fly by the 30 second human scan and even shorter software scan).

OK, but I find that bizarre.  Are you saying you can't deal with people whose opinions differ from yours ... because you don't know them?

If that's what you're saying, OK, but real life is going to really hit you hard because you'll find you're not going to know MOST people who disagree with you.

Thanks for the friend invite, but don't take the lack of response personally, I don't respond to 99% of the friend requests I get because that's not why I'm here.

And for this particular situation, I own a home.  Just recently bought it.  I also paid $1000 for a privacy fence.  I cannot tell you how peeved I would be if local would-be graffiti artists decided to use my $1000 investment for their canvas.  I'm not a fan of modern art in any form, so they can spare my property their attempts at it.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Like I said I really like people who enact the role of playing devil's advocate. But you obviously were not. Which to me is even more problematic. What I really appreciate even more is authenticity. What I like is when someone shares a differing pov that they also openly share their bias. I believe this because . .. .... whatever your motivation is for expressing your idea:

1. personal values

2. personal experiences

3. political stances

4. world view

etc.

It is not a matter of hurt feelings. It was simply because when I went to your profile page to get a better handle on you and or your background and finding it a "NO ACCESS ZONE," I was left with zip, nada, nil.

So one way for me to gain better and quicker access to your pov is to "Check it out when in doubt."

I, now, know exactly where you are coming from, because you shared your personal experienc:

       Yeah the price of house maintenance is a b_tch. So too is the high price of          all your tax dollars that are going to prosecute petty criminals. Are you also        for prosecuting people who smoke weed, or putting teens in jail because            they were vagrant from school, may I ask? Did you know that the US has            the highest incarceration rate in the world?  

Ah, OK.

But instead of trying to understand a person, perhaps when info is lacking you try to understand what they are saying and just take their comments as authentic instead of worrying about it.

Regardless of whether or not the person is playing Devil's advocate, other views are going to exist.

As I pointed out, in the real world, you're not always going to be able to get a bead on someone's background to "get a handle"on them, so you may as well just take them at their word when considering their POV.

So too is the high price of all your tax dollars that are going to prosecute petty criminals. Are you also for prosecuting people who smoke weed, or putting teens in jail because they were vagrant from school, may I ask?

OK with me if it keeps them from defacing my property and driving down neighborhood housing values.

Why have laws at all if you're not going to enforce them?

I don't care if someone smokes weed, I do care if they smoke weed, then decide to get behind the wheel of a car to go get munchies. EVERYone should care about that.

Do they put teens in jail for truancy?  Last I heard, they picked them up, called their parents and then fined their parents.  Which is also, OK with me.

Aurelia, Thanks for sharing your pov :)

Yes, in ghetto neighborhoods in Texas they put kids into holding cells for truancy. 

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/21/in-texas-courts-tur...

Good news though, I just checked and they have decriminalized truancy

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Truancy-No-Longer-A-Crime-In-Tex...

Good news though, I just checked and they have decriminalized truancy

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Truancy-No-Longer-A-Crime-In-Tex...

OK, yes, that's what I thought.

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