How does America solve a problem like militias?

Today, as we approach the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing by militia movement sympathizers and anti-government terrorists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, an attack that killed 168 Americans, including 19 children under the age of 6, Oklahoma Tea Party leaders and state legislators are calling for a private volunteer militia to defend the state against the federal government.

State Sen. Randy Brogdon, a candidate for governor, and representative Charles Key have both come out in support of the formation of a private militia to stop the federal government from overstepping its bounds. The AP reports that the conservative legislators hope to get legislation passed next year to allow for a private militia.

Some members of the Oklahoma state Republican Party recognize extremism when they hear it and have rebuked the state militia supporters as reported by Politico.  But the fact that it would occur to state legislators to even think about such a proposal IN OKLAHOMA of all places and at all times, speaks volumes about how irresponsible and dangerous the national political dialog has become. We can never forget that America has been attacked by American terrorists spawned by the militia movement before.

On Keith Olbermann's show tonight, Princeton professor Melissa Harris-Lacewell put this latest escalation of militia related anti-government talk in perspective this way (video here):

"I am deeply concerned about the fact that elected leaders are encouraging movements against the federal government.

Secession is real in this country.  The history of our nation. It's a bloody civil war, the whole concept of brother against brother. These things are not just concepts or possible theories or images, these are the realities of our nation. And so particularly in the power keg that is Oklahoma and at the moment that is IRS tax filing time, elected leaders have a responsibility to be much more careful in the ways in which they are describing their anxieties about the out party being the in party.

And they're defending themselves apparently against the fact that almost 90% of American households received a taxcut. They're defending themselves against the extension of healthcare benefits to Americans who don't have it through a private insurance system.  They're defending themselves against a democratically elected president and they'd defending themselves against a country, which if it's unhappy can even put a Republican in the seat that was Ted Kennedy's.

What exactly is it that they're afraid of?"

Really, what are they afraid of? America?


What are you thoughts?

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Aside from the Oklahoma tragedy, I believe that state militias are a good thing to have. Our government grows in power everyday and the shit that our politicians perpetrate are going to need redress one of these days and who is going to help with that? Our state militias, of course! Originally, the state militia of any state was put into place to defend us against our own country, in case we needed it and don't think for one moment that we won't need it. Because one of these days...we will pay the price for our own ignorance and apathy.
And I thought we were the United States, a democratic republic that uses the voting booth to enact change.

Silly me.
The problem with change is that it rarely comes peacefully...
Ya know... Let's take a subculture, and lets say that subculture does a couple things differently than the general populace. And then let's take a tiny fraction of that subculture who are extremist crazy whackjobs, and because they are extremist crazy whackjobs they do something stupid and/or fucked up. Media attention flies on in and paints everyone in that subculture with the same brush, insinuating that everyone who takes part in that group must all hold the same beliefs.

Ignorant people in the media do this with paganism all the time. I'm sure you get your undies in a bunch when the media paints all pagans/witches/whatever as babykillers, or crazy whackos, because of what some deranged or off kilter person chose to do... One person does not represent all of us, right?

Ever thought, just for a second, that the same may also be true of other subcultures, such as militias?

Not all of them are crazy isolationists that want to bring down the government. Sure there are a few... there are also a few pagans I know that want to isolate, buy lots of firearms, and live in the woods too because they don't like the system. But there are also militas that are just into the survival training side, like guns, like to practice how to use them... and also like to help their community out, and just follow their own interests. Not all Militias are anti-American or anti-government, & it's a mistake to assume so.

Militas have been around since the founding of the country. I'm not in one, I don't much care for guns... but forming groups like this is our fundamental right and I wouldn't have anyone take those rights away from the people who choose to express them.

"Jack Kay, the provost and vice president of Eastern Michigan University, has been studying militias and the white supremacy movement in this country for decades. He says militias have changed.
"Most of the folks I talked to in the Michigan militia were very much distancing themselves," he said. "They were saying, 'We don't have an agenda of overthrowing the government. We're simply concerned about our own protection, living off the land, survivalism, gun practice — those sorts of things.' "

...and so are a few pagans I know.

My point is, don't tar a group with the same brush, you'd be making the same mistake you don't want people to make about you.
Oh and here's a website that discusses the history of Militas, where they come from and why they exist today.

It's amazing to me how many of you just take info that's spoon fed to you by one or two sources, and just go judge a whole group of people without knowing any of them... I guess it's tit for tat, we should just accept when people judge us then... because judging with out learning the details about people is ok apparently.
There already is a state militia, it's called the Oklahoma National Guard. What these morons want is a group of armed people who answer to them and reflect their ideals so that they can impose them on the rest of us, regardless of what we want. It makes me sad.
That's funny b/c I feel as many others do that increasing power of the government over the citizens of this nation is imposing and involving itself in every facet of our lives. So how are we supposed to stop that from happening? How do we get elected officials to listen to our concerns about the way our lives are governed, when they support an ever-increasing governmental body?
That sums it up. Those pathetic people are being used by big business. The fact that the president is an intellectual who identifies with black people really makes them uncomfortable.
Far be it from me to condemn what a group of people feel is their fundamental right, I also wholeheartedly welcome their concern for their safety, and for the right to defend themselves -- I think what I take concern over, is the potential for state moneys going to fund this organization, obviously the State National Guards provide a military arm for governors. Another concern of mine is under what jurisdiction this military force would come under, and what particular issues they felt they needed to be defended from.

Personally, I felt that as a society we lost more freedoms under the previous administration, but that is just how I see things.
Now what I posted above is not my words or thoughts but that of someone else, A friends of mine sent it to me in an email, and well I found it to be interesting. I think she said she found it at

Me I’m not sure how I feel about it, I guess I can see it from both sides of the fence.


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