All Beliefs are Welcome Here!
Today I got into a Discussion with my summer school Philosophy professor about religions that fit into the "other" category; such as the Occult, Witchcraft, and Satanism. One of the other students made a claim that Satanism, Witchcraft, and the occult are the reasons why America is suffering so much. He said that America was built upon Christian Values so letting Goddess and Satan worshipers into our country is doing more harm then allowing illegal immigrants.
He also provided "sources" for his beliefs which I have linked below.
So, what do you all think? Are we, the "others", causing America's decline? Have we invoked the wrath of god?
I personally think what's happening with America (i.e. terrorism, debt, etc.) is mostly a political/money grubbing problem not a religious problem.
Just a PS to the OP .... you mentioned a fellow student saying America was founded on "Christian Values" .... this is a HUGE misconception. Proves the fact that if you repeat a lie over and over and over, people will take it as truth. Our founding fathers were Deists and Puritans who led something of a "Christian Revolt" ... they were victims of religious persecution and came to America ... and wanted the "New World" to be free of such persecution and judgment. 235 years later, we seem to have forgotten this.
I'm definitely open to hearing this, Tracey, as to me, the Founding Fathers lived in a time much different to ours, and we tend to sway in favour of anachronistic thinking, and this leads us to erroneous conclusions. Let's take the example of the Deist. what we understand as Deist, was understood rather differently back then, and as religious belief was so endemic to one's life, people who saw themselves as Deists (such as Jefferson) valued the teachings of Christ but rejected the dogma that had been built up around the religion of Christianity. This would therefore mean to our eyes in this day and age, that back then, a Deist would do and say things that would define them as Christian, even though they would state that they were Deist.
Paine didn't reject religion completely;
Mr Virtuous Franklin was unable to fathom virtue without religion;
Adams nodded at Paine quite often...
I'm just really not convinced that with the background they had to begin with, Christianity and Christian mores *of that era* seeped into their thinking, even if they tried to reject religion from the founding of the country.
Although Jefferson believed in a Creator, his concept of it resembled that of the god of deism (the term "Nature's God" used by deists of the time). With his scientific bent, Jefferson sought to organize his thoughts on religion. He rejected the superstitions and mysticism of Christianity and even went so far as to edit the gospels, removing the miracles and mysticism of Jesus (see The Jefferson Bible) leaving only what he deemed the correct moral philosophy of Jesus.
IOW, Jefferson didn't believe in a 'divine' Jesus, so by definition he wasn't a 'Christian' per se, since Christianity is based on belief in Jesus as a savior god.
Your summer school philosophy teacher is a total fucking genius!
What the world needs is a good scape goat and those guys are prefect.
Some people are just ignorant idiots who will believe any fundamentalist propaganda they read or watch. I remember when I was in school many years ago and a teacher used to hand me Chic publications comics and suggest I read them. I filed a complaint and he stopped, but it caused much unease for the rest of the school year. I don't think I personally have invoked any wrath of god, lol. But I think When fundamentalism of any kind is mixed with politics it is a breeding ground for hatred and bigotry. Americans who are not willing to speak their concerns, vote or atleast take action against these kinds of people will contribute to our downward spiral.