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 Reply by Nephele, Mistress of Names on August 14, 2016 at 9:08am

First of all, Izlam is NOT a religion.

 

Dave, Islam is a monotheist, Abrahamic religion.

 

Here are some more facts that may have caused you some confusion:

 

  • When Black people take black and white photos, they do not come out black.

 

  • Not all Jewish people "look Jewish."

 

  • Asian girls don't have "sideways vaginas."

 

  • Mexicans don't eat flower tortillas.

 

  • Puerto Ricans don't speak "Mexican."

 

  • Catholics don't worship the Pope.

 

Hope that helped to clear up a few things for you.


Islam is a socio-political framework and judiciary system with a monotheistic, abrahamic religious component.

Also note:
When a muslim declares that islam is a religion of peace, he is either ignorant of the qur'an or is deceitfully (taqiyya) thinking of this ‘peace’ as it applies only to those within the muslim community. (According to the qur'an Surah 48:29: "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah.  Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers."  Surah 9:5: "Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Also see Surah 9:29:  PICKTHAL: "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (Christians & Jews) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.")  Remember, there is NOT a single verse in the Old or New Testaments that contains this command to kill unbelievers.

Reality check folks.

     Friday 4 dead in Stockholn by a truck attack.

     Today Palm Sunday in Egypt  -- 2 attacks - 40 some dead.

I may be not eloquent on the topic like some.  But the real world speaks.

Maybe some can click their heels together three times and wish very hard -- "Islam is a religion of Peace"  -- However the facts of what is happening seems to show a different reality.

Reality check folks.

     Friday 4 dead in Stockholn by a truck attack.

Reality check indeed:

The 39-year old Uzbek perp had applied for asylum in Sweden and not gotten it. He was about to be deported. 


Want to talk about all the reasons that he'd rather kill himself than go home? A disappointed and probably furious man had had his dreams of a better life in Sweden crushed.  What do some men in that situation do?  Lash out?  Yes, they do. 

Nephele

   I had suggested that we halt political posts by general agreement.  However since you and your people seem to want it to continue - so be it.

Islam is a socio-political framework and judiciary system with a monotheistic, ...religious component.

This is also true of Christianity and Judaism, which is why both religions find it very easy to form theocracies.

Hinduism is a socio-political framework and judiciary system (currently subsumed under a British common law structure) with a polytheistic, …religious component.

It has formed theocracies in the past and will likely do so in the future. The Ancient Romans tolerated the theocratic religions of their conquered neighbors, but “new” religions, without a government component, they ruthlessly suppressed. While I love what Battlestar Galactica did with the monotheist threat, in reality you can’t trust any human to be peaceful. Just ask the Cylons. :)

Just to balance the argument. Last year we had at least one Atheist terrorist attack. Though the police claimed it was a dispute over a parking space, the killer, an avowed atheist, explicitly said he was tired of his victim’s proselytizing. This year we have Joseph A. Jakubowski sending an anti-religious manifesto to the Orange POTUS, stealing weapons, and scoping out a church. While the reports don’t actually specify Jakubowski’s beliefs the term “anti-religious” is a good hint.

In the voice of Yoda: Religion not make people violent; people make religions violent.

I retract my original comment. Maybe because I have been involved with India and Hinduism a lot more lately, but Islam is NOT a religion of peace. It needs reformation.

I mean how can it be when people are murdered, even in first world nations, over depicting the prophet? South Park still has issues with their portrayal of Mohammad, years later. They showed Buddha snorting coke in the same episode, and no one cared. But gawd forbid they depict the prophet! Fuck that shit. No one is under obligation to please your delicate religious sensibilities.

Then there was the whole, and still on going, war in liberal circles. There's people such as Ben Affleck actually, seriously saying, that legitimate criticism of Islam as we do with Christianity, is "Islamophobic". No, while there are people who are that way, we should stop using this as a way to shut down people who don't agree with us.

Let's exclude the Koran, has anyone actually seen screen shots or actual footage from MEMRI? (They document all Middle Eastern programming.) These people are raging with violence over any dissent. I won't even get into Wahhabism, which while not the same as ISIL, is a terrorist philosophy that originated in, yep, you guess it, Saudi Arabia where many of our fine extremists come from. It's centuries old, too.

Then there is the history of Islam, Mohammad himself? Probably a pedo, definitely a murderer. Moghul empire, probably the biggest unspoken genocide in the world in which millions of Indians were raped and killed for resources, using Islam as justification. It's one of the reasons India has never recovered. (Other than the British who merely took over what was already there.) They ruled for a thousand years. If you read excerpts from Muslims from back then it's pretty much the same as ISIL justification. Now ISIL is fucking up Asia, as seen recently in the Philippines.

It doesn't even stop there, the state of Kashmir (India vs Pakistan) is an on-going war since India gained independence and it's because of the Muslims. (If you don't know why Pakistan exists, Google it. It's an Islamic state. India has it's problems, but they are secular government.)

So no, I do not buy the whole "religion of peace" crap. Even moderate Muslims can be awful. The dude responsible for the Orlando night club shootings had a father who is religious, even though his father did not condone the violence, he still made it a point to speak out against gays.

If you read the Quran, it's real easy to see where these bad ideas started from.

I think it's a false narrative Islam have never meant peace.

It means submission to the will of Allah.

I agree reformation needs to occur there are Muslims who are trying,like Maajid Nawaz but with groups like the SPLC putting him on their anti-Muslim and hate speech lists it's going to be a long and rough road.

Nawaz was on  Real Time recently Talking about it.

He is also starting a Go fund me? to sue the SPLC.

"What??? I couldn't believe my eyes when I read that, because I know you check stuff out, Wilhelm. So I went to SPLC's site, and you're right!"
Thanks Nephele,I do want people to check what I post and keep me honest.If I'm wrong I'll readily admit it and change my thought accordingly.

So I went to SPLC's site, and you're right!

Citing a racist hate site to defend hate makes no sense.   It shows who is arguing, that's all.

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