Religious Discrimination on Paganspace

"Personally, I find the Wiccan creation myth appalling. I also see nothing about the Goddess that is worthy of worship and many good reasons to denounce her. In my view The Goddess is much worse than YHWH of the Hebrew mythology shared by Jews, Christians and Muslims.

I cannot help but wonder what kind of people find the creation myth meaningful and worthy of worship. What kind of people choose to believe that the world we live in is the work of a mass murderer and is
constructed from the dismembered body of her first victim, John Barleycorn? The senseless death of the Winter King? Whoever they are, they are not my kind of people."

With apologizes for offense (even though that was the original intent) and creative license the above statement is adapted from the post sited below and changed only the subject (quoted at bottom vilifying all Heathens) but not the tone nor purpose:
- http://www.paganspace.net/profiles/blogs/odin-a-mass-murderer-who-made

Should we stand by when folks, who claim to be part of this community, intentionally denounce our beliefs?

Do not we need to draw a line in the sand and say, "Enough is Enough!"

This kind of belligerent and demeaning behavior needs to stop. Insults arising to the point of discrimination have no place here! This sickness must end. PSpace is being torn to shreds by this kind of ichor. All rational and intelligent discussion is being drowned out by this noise.

It's high time to make our voices heard. It has been said that for evil to succeed that that good folks only need to do nothing. We need to Act. And Now. Drown out the voices of ignorance and intolerance! Send messages and tell all that this Can Not Be Tolerated. Because we can not abide and wait for cancerous forces to kill us from within by dissension and hate.

Act Now!

(The original post, under the expectation of if and when, he changes it:

"Personally, I find the Norse creation myth appalling. I also see nothing about Odin that is worthy of worship and many good reasons to denounce him. In my view Odin is much worse than YHWH of the Hebrew mythology shared by Jews, Christians and Muslims.

I cannot help but wonder what kind of people find the Norse creation myth meaningful and Odin worthy of worship. What kind of people choose to believe that the world we live in is the work of a mass murderer and is constructed from the dismembered body of his first victim? Whoever they are, they are not my kind of people."

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Comment by Maris Hellfaerie (Maire) on August 16, 2010 at 1:41pm
David, in my opinion that desperate blog post was nothing but pure lulziness. What should Hàr have done, alternatively? Slaughter Audhumla?
If I spread that, I would only expose an intellectually retarded mind which saught for something to hate on in utter desperation.
Comment by Wildewood on August 16, 2010 at 1:44pm
"What kind of people choose to believe that the world we live in is the work of a mass murderer and is constructed from the dismembered body of her first victim, John Barleycorn? The senseless death of the Winter King? Whoever they are..."

Modern people should try to understand the method in the (apparent) madness of primitive people who saw the world through very different eyes. People would use such animism in an attempt to control the random effects of weather that is very much beyond their (and ours) control.
The last sheaf of corn became a symbol of regeneration and a way of trying to ensure another successful harvest after the winter closed upon them. Dark times called for Hope to be instilled in the hearts of simple people who saw the sun grow weaker each day and their worship gave each one a sense of bringing about a new dawn.
Who are we to condemn their actions and despise such ignorance in the face of so much superstition? Do you see the Russian people going into the fields and lamenting the bad harvest this year? Of course not!
Times change and people adapt to these changing times but that is not to say we should forget our heritage, no matter how long ago. if some people choose to keep these myths alive in song and dance then who am i to suggest they should be proscribed from celebrating in any way they see fit: who does it harm?
Nobody is suggesting the cruel rite of blood sacrifice should be renewed in the hope of placating some vengeful god....are they?
Comment by Freyadis Odinsdottir on August 16, 2010 at 2:14pm
I'm shocked. Appalled. Completely speechless. This man chooses to abuse a pagan belief system in a space built for tolerance. I might have been able to understand if he weren't so belligerent about it. I might have even understood if he was questioning how his own goddess could be a part of something so violent. What I cannot tolerate is the absolute disrespect of the Gods that he himself worships. Yes, he claims to follow the Vanatru path, but pardon if I misremember the Lore as I am still early in my studies, but Frey, Freya and Njord WILLININGLY joined the Vanatru. Freya is no delicate flower. The Aesir and Vanir are part of the same cosmology, are they not? I can comprehend having difficulties with the lore of any religion; I'm still having a hard time with the whole cosmic bovine thing. When I was being raised Lutheran, my question always came to, "why does God state in the commandments thou shalt have no other gods before Me?" This to me is admission that others exist, but He wants to be king of them all or to have His followers worship him only, which makes me go, yeah. fine. whatever.

Back to the point. Freyja works WITH Odin, yanno Queen of the Valkyrie Band and all that. Perhaps he should direct these questions to Her instead of publicly abusing the rest of us. Ask and ye shall receive. Seek and ye shall find. I can't comprehend picking and choosing what parts of a religion you can recognize as truth. He's whittiling down the whole of pantheon to two figures. I have a feeling such behavior will have repercussions of its own.

Sorry for the babbling...
Comment by ThunderWizard.com on August 16, 2010 at 2:40pm
Everyone has a right to their opinion. Sharing an opinion is not discrimination. It just his opinion. I don't agree with it. It indicates tremendous insecurity and a lack of understanding of mythological symbolism. Many times, people who cannot see past "violent" symbolism were probably physically and or emotionally abused. And it is healing for people top share their emotions. If this person were to seek to silence or prevent others from having different views, then it would be a case of discrimination. But, just sharing an opinion is part of free speech. If we don't like or agree with his views, we can simply choose not to read any of his posts or blogs...
my .02
Comment by Norse/Ned on August 16, 2010 at 2:48pm
Too many good & intelligent people have chose to "leave" because of rude, insensitive or just plain ignorant people: who choose to discriminate, bash, intimidate or ridicule other people, their beliefs, religious veiws or "way of life". In agreement with David, and for all of us! > _______________ < (my "line in the sand")

Comment by Hrafnbjorn on August 16, 2010 at 3:17pm
This is his MO, what more should we expect beyond accountability for his actions, and/or words?
Comment by Vincent Enlund on August 16, 2010 at 3:51pm
Well Said David and you are right we need to, publicly, speak put and speak well that folks like this one know that they wrong, they are misleading people and that we are not what they would like to believe that we are. I have said this many times to others that simply wish to walk away from posts like this one, Our ancestors did not just stand and allow themselves to be shamed by another's words. They spoke out and where well spoken when doing so. That way others knew that they where not fools and they where not to be persecuted.
Comment by Kari on August 16, 2010 at 4:28pm
...it was his blog post, his opinion, however misinformed/ignorant it is ~ I would have never known about it at all, David, unless you sent me this email. it just doesn't amount much to me really, and I hardly think it is some form of direct hate attack. It reveals nothing to me other then the opinions and character of the person that wrote it ~ I move on...
Comment by Alexia Adder on August 16, 2010 at 5:37pm
Its one thing to denounce beliefs its another the person based on action. Like right now I don't really care for goddess worshipers, as I believe they live in a fantasy. But I don't think they are harmful or offensive. I just don't care for them and find them too much for my taste.
Comment by Pavlor on August 16, 2010 at 5:50pm
Ok, now I see what all the fuss is about.

Thanks.

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